Whole Grain Sourdough

Hello Kevin,

I am not Eric, but I’ve made this recipe … twice very recently. I used refrigerator starter, BUT it was recently fed AND my starter tends to stay active as in when I do take some out and feed, it bubbles up in 3-4 hours even in my very cool (62-65F) house.

So … if your refrigerator starter was recently fed and/or you are confident in its getting active very soon after feeding, use the frig stuff. If you follow the video and mix up the day 1 ingredients in the evening per the video, it has 12 hours to respond for the day 2 fun.

The other advice I’ll give is as noted in my posts above: add the ingredients per the order in the video (2nd 1/2 of the first video) … basically the day 1 overnight “starter”, water, salt, flours with the white flour last and don’t add all of the white flour. Add maybe 2/3 and then add incrementally, kneading/mixing until you get to the consistency shown in the video. You might use all of the white flour or less or you might need to add more. Different flours, humidity absorb liquid different.

If you review all of the comments you will see that some people felt the dough was too moist and sticky with the recipe amount, some thought too much flour. My experience in my recent 2 bakes with the difference being only the type of white flour was first version needed more than the recipe and 2nd version less.

I know more than you asked, hopefully it is helpful!

I was so busy watching your video that I might have doubled the amount of spelt. Should I continue with the 24 hour proofing and see what happens?

I don’t know if you’ve had time to go through the last several comments … I am the Liz that did some experiments with this recipe … recently.

So, here is my take based on my recent experience: if you doubled the spelt, but then added white flour to the dough consistency in the video (not necessarily the recipe amount), you are fine to continue on. The main thing is to get to the dough look and feel, not the exact amounts of the flours. If you added double spelt, it will be a bit more whole grain and that should not affect outcome … except that normally more whole grain means a bit more liquid which should have equated to a lot less white flour.

If you think the dough looks and feels fine, don’t worry about how much of each. If you added double spelt AND the recipe amount of white, I’m thinking you might have a very stiff, dry dough. If that is the case, I’d still do the 24 hours and see how things look and feel at that point. Part of what happens in that 24 is the flour absorbs the liquid and the gluten develops.

Thanks for your help! It appears that I did double the amount of spelt AND add all the white flour. I proofed the dough for 24 hours and it’s very dry and stiff but rose. I’m going ahead with baking it as an experiment. I’ll try to recipe again next week and will pre-measure all the ingredients so that this doesn’t happen again.

You’re welcome! I’ll be interested to know how this comes out in the bake if you decide to share that. Over many years of baking, I have at least been able to recoup bread crumbs and/or croutons from not so perfect loaves … if toast and plenty of butter doesn’t work :slight_smile: !!

Pre measuring is a good plan. But with the white flour, just know that you might need less or more than the recipe quantity and go for the slightly sticky-tacky that is in the video. I made the recipe twice with the only difference being the type of white flour and the difference was 80 grams.

This is such a yummy loaf! I baked it last night, and just cut it for breakfast. The sour flavor is distinct but not overpowering. I love the taste of the combined whole grains (all of which I ground in my beloved Mockmill). The internal temp when I took it out was 198 - I wanted it at 200, but even 10 extra minutes of cooking didn’t get it there. It is perfectly baked, so maybe my thermometer is off. Or does altitude affect the internal temp of bread?

I will be scaling this recipe for family production (four little kids and a set of local Grandparents so quadruple it), adding toasted seeds and making it weekly. Thanks for such clear instructions!

So I have no spelt the plan for me now is for day 2 250 grams dark rye and 250 grams all purpose white flour and a dark beer for all or part of the water??? Thoughts??

This is delicious bread. I used locally available flours, all organic to make and I have made 2 weeks in a row. As is my usual practice, I made the recipe as written the first time around. The dough was very stiff and seemed dry to me. I also got no oven spring during baking. So the next time I added more water to the leaven, 10 grams and more water to the dough, another 16 grams. I also reduced the time of the dough in fridge to 22 hours and the proofing time to 4 hours after the dough came out of the fridge. This time I got a really good loaf almost double the height of the first loaf. I may add some more water to the leaven next time, we’ll see.

Keith

Where can non-GMO flour be found? Spelt & rye in particular.

Thanks!

Breadtopia store!!!

I am assuming you are in the U.S. if not, someone else needs to reply. But if in the U.S. the Breadtopia flours or berries if you grind your own … EXCELLENT! I have no affiliation with Breadtopia other than being a very happy customer and a member of this forum :slight_smile:

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@clyde and @easummers Clyde and Liz, I completely concur! I am an extremely happy customer of Breadtopia and I also have no other affiliation with it other than loving everything I have purchased from them.

Leah

@clyde With the lovely recommendations of @easummers and @Leah1 you may not need any more information, but I just wanted to let you know that Breadtopia’s grain is certified organic, and organic certification isn’t granted to genetically modified organisms or crops or product with gmo ingredients.

Followed the recipe pretty direct only with 5/8 cup RYE sourdough starter, and a 1/2 teaspoon SAF instant yeast a the the beginning of Day 2

I am on my second failed attempt at this bread :frowning: The first, I know what I did wrong (misread the instructions!) but this time I followed all the instructions and watched the video again and it is after 24 hr refrigeration and the dough has not expanded like it should and feels leaden. Re-watching the video, the dough in video is much wetter than mine. Other readers complain their dough is even wetter than the video’s. My starter is good (I used some same day for a successful product), my bread flour is King Arthur. Could it be the Whole Wheat? I am using a locally milled hard red winter wheat. Maybe it needs much more water than recipe indicates?

I did several experiments with different flours using this recipe. It is very important that you hold back the white flour and add only to the point of consistency as shown in the video. Different flours absorb water differently. I had vastly different flour needs using various flours.

My suggestion is to review the video again and make sure you are adding only enough flour to get to the consistency of dough as shown in the video. It might be more or less than the recipe amount. Eric notes in the video to add to the consistency. I had differences of 80 grams which is approximately 1/2-3/4 cup.

Also, you might consider slowing down the process and allowing for your flours to absorb the liquid.

Just wanted to share my bake. This is a very flavorful bread, but my first experience with a kneaded vs no-knead bread, and I made a mistake regarding the amount of flour - my dough was very tough even though I didn’t add all the white flour, as suggested by easummers. So kneading was quite a challenge. Then, the 24 hours in the fridge may have left a bit of a crust on the dough, and I shaped the dough from the fridge without much handling, only patting down a large air bubble that had formed at the top. I’m not sure if there was anything else I could have done at that point about the crust, other than trying to work it into the interior of the dough?? The sad baguette in the background had an even worse crust before baking - I need to be better about my plastic wrapping!

When I do a long refrigeration of pizza dough, I flip the dough every 12-24 hours, and sometimes punch it down and fold it to give it a totally new surface.

p.s. I like that TJ Ethiopian coffee I see in your photo : )

Yes, that was my big mistake, I’m sure, trying to be too gentle with it. I will be sure to rough up my dough in future!

The TJ Ethiopian is my favorite! I’m so glad they have a shade-grown coffee - it is not always easy to find. : -)

Hi! I am excited to make this but I prefer to use sprouted freshly milled flour. So, is it possible to make this with freshly milled sprouted rye and sprouted spelt? What can I use in place of whole wheat flour for the starter? Sprouted Red Wheat?

Thank you for any help you cna provide,
Kelly