Thanks, Abe. Where do I look for the private message? I don’t see anything on this site. I have not received anything from you anywhere that I can see.
OK… Let me see
Top right hand corner you should see your avatar or picture. For you it’ll be an upper case “E” within a red circle. Click on that and then you should have a drop down box. Click on the picture of an envelope and you should see my PM.
I suspect I’m having trouble with private messaging because I’m a new user. In the help section, it says there are things unavailable to me until “I gain the trust of the community.”
Well you have my trust
We have bestowed upon thee community trust. Go ye forth and make bread!
I’m new to Breadtopia and fairly new to sourdough. This recipe sounded so delicious that I couldn’t resist! Thanks to Eriks clear directions and helpful video, I am delighted with my first attempt with rye! Thanks so much!
Been using your starter and recipes for a year now and all the daughters bought my Christmas presents from Breadtopia!
Question on the Rye recipe. Could I make this in a loaf pan with good results?
I just love this bread - so beautiful and delicious baked in the Breadtopia Batard Clay Baker. Almost like a trip to Germany!
Beautiful color! Can you share what type of flour you used? I just made two of these for the first time. In Holland we can buy whole rye flour and regular (processed) rye flour, I used 250 grams of half whole not regular rye flour and 250 grams of whole wheat, but I did not get this beautiful color you have! Also did you score with a knife or a propor blade? Thanks for the tips.
Hi! What a wonderful website and community, thank you for creating it! Thanks to Covid-19 I have been happily making sourdough bread, using this website and instructional videos for the past 2 months. I looked for rye flour for weeks and finally bought it online. To my surprise, I could choose between “whole” rye, in Dutch its called “roggemeel” and regular rye, “roggebloem”, the difference is that the bloem is more processed. I finally made two loaves of it this weekend. For the 1st I used half and half of whole/white rye and the rest whole wheat (see picture of whole loaf). For the 2nd I used half whole/white rye, and half all-purpose flour (see picture of cut loaf). I did not use molasses or spices, but I will very soon. These were my issues, any tips are greatly appreciated!
*My dough was impossible to shape as it just spread out everywhere. The one with white flour, was easier, no where near the one on your video.
*My color was very pale compared to yours, could that be because I didn’t use molasses?
*The taste is good, but my crust was not as crunchy or dark as I expected.
Cheers and let’s keep baking,
So glad you found the Breadtopia community
Those look beautiful!
Rye is sticky and difficult to handle. This is normal.
Molasses does darken the bread and crust, as does whole rye vs white rye, though most of the color difference is the molasses in my opinion.
If you take off your lid sooner in the baking process, the crust will be crunchier and darker too.
What Melissa said, but I have a few more thoughts as well. If you left the molasses out because you don’t like it or don’t have it, I have used a little strong coffee and/or some cocoa powder for color. This is not an original thought, some recipes for dark rye or pumpernickel call for coffee and/or cocoa. You probably still need a bit of sweetener: honey, sugar, brown sugar which has molasses in it.
For handling rye … practice, patience … BUT, you can also try a long, cold (refrigerated) rise vs the 12-15 hour room temp rise. The cold dough will be a bit easier to handle and shape. You can shape cold, let warm up, rise and bake or put the shaped loaf back in the refrigerator for another 8-12 hours and bake straight from the refrigerator. This draws out the timing, but adds some to flavor as well as handling.
The other thing with rye … it benefits from 12-24 hour wait time after baking before cutting into it. Some bakers say 48-72 hours. I’m lucky if I manage to wait 12-18
Hi Clara - I attribute the color to the magic of the clay baker. I did not use any sweetener (so no molasses), but I don’t have spelt flour (called for in the recipe) so I substitute Einkorn flour instead - which could affect the color. As for the rye flour, have made it with both a very light sprouted rye flour as well as Stone Ground Dark Rye Flour, and it always comes out this color. There is a lot of flour on it because my dough was also very sticky and I wanted to make sure it would release from the cloth-lined rising basket. maybe the appearance is due to the contrast between the white flour on the loaf, and the open slashes : ) I used a razor blade (in a Breadtopia holder) to slash it Your loaf may look different, but it still looks delicious!
I tried this recipe with a few changes.
Water 370 G
Sourdough starter 70 G
Rye flour 245 G
Hard red wheat flour 200 G
Spelt 45 G this was leftover in a bag I had so I added.
Salt 15 G
Caraway seeds 16G
I followed all instructions and videos to a T
I lowered the amount of water from original recipe since all my dough is always way to wet. I didn’t use any of the other ingredients from the original recipe.
The dough had perfect wetness and looked just like the video.
Tell me what you think.
A big success. Nice combo. Spelt and rye compliment each other. A lovely caramel crust with a very nice crumb. Looks delicious.
Thanks, it tastes really good also. This is only my 5th loaf ever made.
And not an easy dough to handle either. Even more kudos to you. This is a lovely recipe and I’m due to bake it again in the next day or two.
I very much enjoyed the tutorial. Calm and easy to follow. The bread turned out amazing. I can’t wait to try more of your recipes I do appreciate your taste!
You’re brave to toss everything in ! Looks perfect
June 6th, I have been dying to try this recipe since I first watched the vids, and after finally securing all the seeds, I gave it a go yesterday, though I used lemon zest instead of orange. And this used my SD starter
For my first effort, I tried to follow the directions, which was going really well until 4 hours went by and my bulk rise was already more than doubled. Then, what kicks in is self analysis. 14 hour bulk rise? At room temperature? I figured at that point, since it appeared bulk risen, I would see if I could fold and shape, and get these into a basket and put in the fridge, but there is no amount of flour that you can use to keep this mess from being a sticky morass. So I put it all back in my rise container and let it go a few more hours.
That didn’t make too much of a difference, but I decided I was going to work fast, and with flour I was able to divide (I made enough for two) spread, fold, shape and then rest.
I then again, spread, folded, shaped as best I could and placed in my lined and rice floured baskets, where they spent the next 14 hours in the refrigerator.
I went straight from fridge to 500F pre-heated DOs and baked 27 covered at 450 and then 15 un-covered, followed by oven off, and door open for 10 more minutes.
Results: I have to hockey puck-like boules that are really very tasty. I didn’t get the oven spring I would have loved to see. I got some, but not enough.
So, when I do this again, here is my plan. I am going to start this in the late afternoon, and after the second stir, I am going to place my rise container in my fridge, and I am going to leave it there until the morning when I will check in and see what magic happened over night. I think this sticky dough will be a lot easier to fold and shape if it is cold. That is a guess, that I think is borne out in Eric’s instructions about the overnight method.
We shall see what we shall see.